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Ranking The NBA’s Top 10 Power Forwards

Basketball Insiders ranks the top 10 power forwards entering the 2016-17 NBA season.

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Basketball Insiders continues its ranking of the league’s top 10 players by position with a look at the power forward spot. In an ever-changing league, the power forward position has arguably undergone the greatest shift over the past few seasons. Our list has plenty of the newer guys, but may surprise you with some much-deserved respect for an elder statesman or two.

If you haven’t already, be sure to check out our lists of the top 10 point guards, top 10 shooting guards and top 10 small forwards. Our top 10 centers list will be posted on Sunday.

1. Anthony Davis – New Orleans Pelicans

After reportedly missing out on as much as $25 million of potential earnings that would have kicked in had he been named an All-Star starter, won the regular season MVP award or been selected to any of the three All-NBA teams, Davis will undoubtedly be back with a vengeance in 2016-17. We don’t predict this just because of his loss in earnings, but also because he remains the league’s best power forward and his team finished 22 games below the .500 mark last season after qualifying for the postseason the year prior. Davis’ base numbers (24.3 PPG, 10.3 RPG and two BPG in 2015-16) were still impressive for today’s big men, especially when you take into account that he looked uncomfortable at times throughout the year as he adjusted to his new role in Alvin Gentry’s system. The roster still remains a work in progress, but look for Davis to return to form in year two under Coach Gentry.

2. Draymond Green – Golden State Warriors

Some people may have grown a bit weary of Green’s “act” and play for that matter, but a majority of those folks tend to be fans of opposing teams. While history has shown us some of his antics can result in a negative outcome for his team, Green’s ability to play both sides of the court while generally being the team’s chemistry lifeblood makes him a huge part of Golden State’s success. In fact, Green and his new teammate Kevin Durant might just represent one of the league’s more versatile forward combos in quite some time. Beyond the obvious production (14 PPG, 9.5 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG in 2015-16), Green is an absolute defensive menace (99.4 Defensive Rating last year) who can effectively switch and legitimately defend guards, forwards and bigs. That isn’t likely to change anytime soon, regardless of how much talent this team continues to stockpile.

3. Blake Griffin – Los Angeles Clippers

This footage of a recently retired Kevin Garnett working with the Los Angeles Clippers’ frontcourt is exactly what fans of Griffin and the Clippers want to see. First of all, it’s great to see Griffin healthy and back out on the court. But this is also great because Garnett was a master of playing with exactly the type of grit and guile in the post (on both sides of the court) that the Clippers could use more of moving forward. Griffin is already one of the game’s best power forwards, but the 27-year-old could be in store for his strongest season yet. He wants to have a strong bounce-back campaign, and he’s actually in a potential contract year since he can become an unrestricted free agent next summer by exercising his early-termination option. Griffin is reportedly working on extending his range even farther out this season. He averaged 21.4 points last season (and 24.1 points in 2013-14), but he could be an even greater offensive weapon for this group if he’s able to consistently knock down threes while continuing to get more comfortable operating in and around the post.

4. Paul Millsap – Atlanta Hawks

It may surprise some to see Millsap this high on the list, but opposing big men who have to face off against him likely wouldn’t be shocked. The former 47th overall pick has absolutely worked himself into this discussion by steadily improving throughout his 10-year career. Last year, Millsap had the fourth-highest Defensive Rating among all players, made 70+ three-pointers for the third straight year, set career-highs in rebounds (nine per game), assists (3.3 per game), blocks (1.7 per game) and tied his previous high with 1.8 steals per game. His production may be decrease a bit to start this year depending on how long it takes him to recover from what was described as a “preventative knee procedure” he recently underwent, but Millsap could ultimately have another phenomenal season if the chemistry alongside new teammate Dwight Howard is as strong as has been reported.

5. LaMarcus Aldridge – San Antonio Spurs

Aldridge is coming off another strong offensive year (in which he averaged 18 points on 51.3 percent shooting from the field), but now he will likely be asked to pick up some of the defensive slack left by a retiring Tim Duncan. Neither Aldridge nor his new teammate Pau Gasol are considered great defenders at this stage (although last year Aldridge wasn’t bad statistically), but the Spurs have to hope the two of them can develop the type of chemistry that can lead to an eventual sum that is greater than its parts. Aldridge’s 30.6 minutes per game in 2015-16 was his lowest total since his rookie season (22.1 MPG in 2006-07), but head coach Gregg Popovich could be in a position where he needs to lean on Aldridge a bit more this year. His offensive numbers could improve, but San Antonio absolutely needs Aldridge at his best across the board in order for them to have a shot at contending with the likes of the Golden State Warriors next postseason.

6. Derrick Favors – Utah Jazz

If you don’t watch the Utah Jazz play regularly (and you should!), you may not appreciate Favors’ effectiveness. The underrated 25-year-old averaged 16.4 PPG and 8.1 RPG last year, is a bit of a throwback to the more traditional “power” players at the position and is a key part of one of the league’s better defensive frontcourts alongside center Rudy Gobert. Gobert may deservedly get a ton of credit for being the team’s primary rim protector, but Favors winds up doing a good deal of the dirty work in the paint, is generally great at utilizing his body and strength beneath the rim on both sides of the court and has continued to round out his offensive game over the years. Trey Lyles may be a bit of a fan favorite since his ability to stretch the floor is certainly appealing, but Favors doesn’t appear ready to have the second-year player usurp him in the lineup without a fight.

7. Kevin Love – Cleveland Cavaliers

Remember him? You know, the oft-mocked “third-wheel” who actually played better than you might think (16 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 36 percent from three-point range last year) if you listen to sports radio or accept the general consensus about him on social media. The truth of the matter is, it’s extremely difficult for players accustomed to being the focal point to make huge individual sacrifices for the good of the team at times, but Love has done exactly that. Relegated to catch-and-shoot duties early in his tenure with the Cavaliers, Love did whatever it took to help his team win a title in last year’s historic run. He knows the criticism and rampant trade speculation is likely here to stay, though it really does appear as though Love couldn’t care less. And that remains a good thing for Cleveland.

8. Serge Ibaka – Orlando Magic

The recent knock on Ibaka’s game is that his overall productivity appears to have trailed off over the last couple seasons. In reality, much of that can probably be attributed to the combination of his role shifting and decreasing a bit, along with the fact that Ibaka seemed to have fallen in love with the idea of being a big who can shoot from distance. In fact, he shot considerably more threes over the past two seasons than his previous five combined (389 compared to 123). Couple that with the fact that opposing teams are pulling him away from the basket with deep-shooting bigs on the other end and much of the decline makes sense. The Magic are counting on Ibaka to not only return to his dominant form in head coach Frank Vogel’s defensive schemes, but also play a pivotal role on the offensive end as well. Look for a “happy” Ibaka to have his most productive season in years for Orlando in 2016-17. It’s also worth noting that he’s in a contract year, so the timing of this move to Orlando may work out very well for him.

9. Dirk Nowitzki – Dallas Mavericks

After taking the “hometown discount” a few years back, Nowitzki got paid this summer with a one-year, $25 million deal that includes a team option at the same rate the following year. The salary is steep, but the 38-year-old former MVP is still able to score at a high level. Kobe Bryant and Bob Pettit may be the only players to score at least 40 points against every single NBA team, but Nowitzki joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan and Karl Malone as the only players (at the time) to score that much in a single game at the age of 37.

10. Kristaps Porzingis – New York Knicks

It may seem a bit premature to some, but get used to seeing Porzingis on lists of this nature. He averaged 14.3 PPG, 7.3 RPG and 1.9 BPG in only 28.4 minutes per contest as a rookie and has reportedly added some bulk and lower body strength that should come in handy when he ventures into the post this season. With Robin Lopez in Chicago and Joakim Noah coming off a season in which he attempted just 4.6 shots per contest, the opportunities to score will be there for Porzingis in spades whether he chooses to attack from the post or from distance. With all due respect to the excitement over the prospect of Derrick Rose and the other additions playing with Carmelo Anthony, Porzingis remains the future in New York.

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NBA PM: Lopez Leading On And Off The Court

Brook Lopez has been a valuable addition to the Los Angeles Lakers, both on and off the court.

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In spite of the ongoing media circus, an inherently tougher conference and a roster that features just five players with more than three years of NBA experience, the Los Angeles Lakers are 8-10. Naturally, that won’t be good enough to reach the postseason in the West, but it’s better than most expected the young Lakers to fare. Their early season successes can be chalked up to their glut of budding talent — Julius Randle, Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram, among others — but there’s one other major driving force at hand here and his name is Brook Lopez.

Following years of will-they, won’t-they rumors, Lopez was acquired in a shocking blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets just prior to this year’s draft. The Lakers were eager to get out from under Timofey Mozgov’s lengthy, albatross-sized contract, so they packaged him with the once-troubled D’Angelo Russell, shipping the pair off for Lopez and the No. 27 overall pick. The deal was largely made with financial implications in mind, but the initial returns on Lopez have been a massive win for the Lakers as well.

Although Lopez is currently logging a career-low in minutes (24.3), he still often leads the way for Los Angeles — like the night he effortlessly dropped 34 points and 10 rebounds on 6-for-9 from three-point range against his former franchise. Through 18 games, Lopez is averaging just 14.8 points and 5.1 rebounds — a scoring mark that ranks only above his rookie season with the New Jersey Nets in 2008-09 — but his statistical impact is key on this inconsistent roster nonetheless.

But beyond that, it seems as if some of Lopez’s biggest contributions this season have come off the court — just ask Kyle Kuzma and Ivica Zubac.

“[Lopez] has taught me how to be a professional,” Kuzma told Basketball Insiders prior to their game against the Boston Celtics earlier this month. “He’s one of the first guys in the gym, one of the last ones to leave.”

Lopez, who has carried his fair share of incredibly poor teams in the past — and often with a smile — is in the final year of the contract he signed back in 2015. His expiring deal worth $22.6 million made Lopez the perfect acquisition for a Lakers team hoping to shed cap space before the upcoming free agency period — where, allegedly, LeBron James and Paul George are both targets.

For a 7-foot center that just added a three-point shot to his game and knocked down 134 of them last season alone, Lopez may be one of the greatest trade afterthoughts in recent memory. The Lakers will likely finish in the lottery rather than the postseason, but Lopez — along with veterans Andrew Bogut, Corey Brewer and Luol Deng — have been a helpful presence for the slew of young Lakers as they adjust to professional basketball.

“They’re all great — they’ve been there, done that,” Kuzma said. “They have a lot of experience in this league, so it’s good to learn from those guys because they’ve played 10, 13 years and that’s what I want to do.”

Kuzma, of course, was selected with that No. 27 overall pick that the Nets sent to Los Angeles in the trade, and he’s been red-hot ever since. Following an impressive combine, summer league and preseason, Kuzma jumped into the starting lineup after Larry Nance Jr. fractured his hand just eight games into the campaign. Although the Rookie of the Year battle has been dominated by the Philadelphia 76ers’ Ben Simmons so far, Kuzma — averaging 16.8 points and 6.6 rebounds per game — has emerged as a strong runner-up candidate.

For Zubac, however, it’s been a slower start to his NBA career but with Lopez, he says, things have gotten easier.

“The whole summer, I worked on my three-point shot,” Zubac told Basketball Insiders. “But also [I worked on my] post offense too, that’s what [Lopez] is good at. I’m really focusing my game around the post, so that’s where I’m trying to learn.”

Last year, Zubac was a popular late-season member of head coach Luke Walton’s rotation and he finished his rookie year averaging 7.5 points and 4.2 rebounds in just 16 minutes per game. Unfortunately, the new arrivals and recent emergences have limited Zubac to just 10 total minutes over four appearances in 2017-18. Still, Lopez gives Zubac a mentor worth modeling his game after, even if it’s at the expense of real experience this season.

To get Zubac on the floor, the center has spent time with the South Bay Lakers, Los Angeles’ G-League affiliate, as of late. In two games, Zubac has averaged 21 points and 10 rebounds on 73 percent shooting from the field. Despite the lack of playing time, Zubac was more than happy to praise not only Lopez but the efforts of the other aforementioned veterans too.

“I can learn a lot from them and they help me play my game,” Zubac said. “Whoever’s on the court, whoever I’m playing with, I just try to learn as much as I can from them.”

Ultimately, though, it all comes back to Lopez.

Again, Lopez has averaged a career-low in minutes, but his contributions have been crucial in the Lakers’ overall standing thus far. In the games that Lopez has played less than 21 minutes, the Lakers are 0-5; but when he plays more than 30, the team is 3-1. On top of that, the Lakers are 5-1 when Lopez hits two or more three-pointers in a game as well. That sample size is still certainly small, but it’s nice indicator of Lopez’s inherent on-court impact, even when he’s not carrying the team on his shoulders.

“[He makes life] a lot easier for me,” Kuzma said. “He’s one of the most established scorers in the league and his career average is, like, 20 [points] a game. You can always count on him to be there every single night.”

While the Lakers can plan for a dream offseason haul involving James, George and others, they’ll have a tough decision facing them in July. Whether he’s efficiently stretching the floor, finishing off assists from Ball or setting the tone in an inexperienced locker room, Lopez has been quite the addition for Los Angeles.

This summer, Lopez enters unrestricted free agency and will likely garner offers outside of the Lakers’ pay range considering their big plans. If the Lakers decide to focus elsewhere, another team will reap the rewards. Until then, the youthful core in Los Angeles will benefit from having Lopez train and educate them each day.

“[Lopez] takes care of his body, he stays low-key and is never in trouble,” Kuzma said. “He’s the type of professional I want to be.”

Whether this is just a one-year detour in his extensively underrated career or the start of a great, new partnership, Lopez’s arrival in Los Angeles has been a huge success already. But as far as role models go for both Kuzma and Zubac, there are few choices better than Brook Lopez — both on and off the court.

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The Most Disappointing Teams So Far

Shane Rhodes looks at a few teams that have disappointed so far this season.

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Approaching the season’s quarter mark, NBA teams are finally starting to settle into their respective grooves. As more and more players become comfortable, their teams begin to demonstrate what they can really do on the court. While some teams have exceeded expectations, a number of teams have underperformed and are looking worse, in some cases much worse, than expected.

Here are six of the NBA’s most disappointing teams so far this season.

6. Dallas Mavericks

The Dallas Mavericks were going to be bad this season. They just weren’t expected to be this bad.

At 3-15, the Mavericks currently hold the worst record in the NBA. They rank 27th and 22nd in offensive and defensive rating, coming in at 99.3 and 107.6, respectively. Collectively, they are shooting just 42.2 percent from the floor and 34.7 percent from three-point range, both below league average. Nerlens Noel, whom Dallas acquired at the trade deadline last season, has played sparingly.

But there is seemingly a light at the end of the tunnel. The Mavericks’ three wins have come against the Memphis Grizzlies, Washington Wizards and the Milwaukee Bucks, three teams that made the playoffs a season ago and are expected to do so again this season. Victories against the Wizards — who are currently the fourth seed in the Eastern Conference at 10-7 — and the Bucks — who boast one of the best players in the league in Giannis Antetokounmpo — are especially encouraging.

As of now, though, the team is still a mess on both sides of the ball.

5. Miami HEAT

The Miami HEAT were expected to be playoff contenders after a torrid second half last season that saw them win 30 of their final 42 games. Now, the HEAT are currently sitting at the 11th seed in the East and, with a record of 7-9, are currently boasting a worse record than the New York Knicks (9-7), Indiana Pacers (10-8) and the Los Angeles Lakers (8-10).

The offense just hasn’t arrived yet in South Beach. Miami has an offensive rating of 103.13, good for 26th in the NBA. They are shooting under league average from the field (44.5 percent) and from three (35.2 percent) and are fifth in turnovers per game with 16.6 per contest; not exactly a winning formula. The $50 million man Kelly Olynyk has contributed just 8.9 points and 5.3 rebounds in 18.9 minutes per game while the roster outside its starting unit looks flimsy at best. Dion Waiters hasn’t shot the ball as well as last season, either.

The schedule doesn’t get easier for the HEAT, with four upcoming games against the Boston Celtics, Minnesota Timberwolves, Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors in their next seven. Expect Miami to get even worse before they start to get better.

4. Milwaukee Bucks

Last season, the Milwaukee Bucks were the sixth seed in the East. They boast one of the best young cores in the league, headed by phenom Antetokounmpo and supported by the likes of Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Malcolm Brogdon and, eventually, Jabari Parker.

Somehow, the Bucks find themselves at just 8-8.

In a weakened Eastern Conference, Milwaukee was expected to make a play for one of its top spots. Instead, the Bucks have gotten blown out by the Mavericks, while barely squeaking by teams like the Charlotte Hornets and Lakers. The Bucks are 23rd in the NBA in defensive rating with a mark of 106.5, worse than the Atlanta Hawks and Chicago Bulls while also sitting at 23rd in net rating at -2.2, behind the Los Angeles Clippers (-1.7) and Utah Jazz (-1.3).

Antetokounmpo has yet to improve his stroke from beyond the arc, an undesirable albeit expected deficiency in his game. But, much of the Bucks roster hasn’t shot well from three. Middleton is shooting just 32.1 percent while big-acquisition Eric Bledsoe is shooting an abysmal 16 percent from beyond the arc since arriving in Milwaukee. If they can’t improve here it will be extremely hard for the Bucks to improve their position in the standings.

With six of their next nine games coming against teams at or below .500, the Bucks have a great chance to rebound from their sluggish start. That doesn’t change the fact that, with one of the NBA’s more talented rosters, the Bucks have been a major disappointment up to this point.

3. Cleveland Cavaliers

At the time of this writing, the Cleveland Cavaliers have won five straight games. Most would say that would or should exempt them from a list like this.

They would be wrong.

The collective record of the teams Cleveland has played during its five-game win streak? 35-48. It may be encouraging to the fans to see the team rattle off five straight, but the Cavaliers aren’t exactly beating the best teams in the Association. They have been careless with the ball as well, turning it over more than 15 times per game while

Their biggest problem, however, is the fact that they can defend absolutely no one. With a defensive rating of 109.4, the Cavaliers have the worst defense in the league. They have gotten away with a lackluster effort in the past, Cleveland’s current roster, outside of LeBron James, just doesn’t have enough offensive firepower to make up for it. And the offense has been good; Cleveland is currently averaging 110.9 points per game with an offensive rating of 109.4, but that leaves them with a big goose egg for their net rating.

The Cavaliers will continue to struggle to beat teams as they attempt to outpace them on the offensive end. For a team that has made three straight NBA Finals and has one of the greatest of all time on its roster, that should certainly be regarded as a disappointment.

2. Oklahoma City Thunder

Another “Big-3” was formed in the NBA after Paul George and Carmelo Anthony were paired with reigning Most Valuable Player Russell Westbrook in the offseason. However, the 2017-18 season hasn’t exactly gone according to plan for the Thunder

Labeled as a team to rival the Warriors for Western Conference supremacy, the Thunder have done anything but so far this season. While the individual stats counting of Westbrook, George and Anthony have looked good, the Thunder have not as a collective. The team sits at just 7-9, good for 10th in the Western Conference. They rank 19th, 23rd and 21st in the NBA in points, rebounds and assists per game, respectively while shooting 44.3 percent from the field and 35 percent from three, both good for 21st.

Westbrook’s early season shooting struggles have hurt the Thunder as well. Westbrook is shooting just 39.4 percent from the field and 32.5 percent from three. The dominance he displayed last season, especially late in games, just hasn’t appeared this season and the team is hurting because of it. If the Thunder want to move up in the standings, Westbrook will need to find a way to improve his shooting numbers; they will go as he goes much like last season, even with George and Anthony on the roster.

On a brighter note, the defense has been one of the best in the NBA. But if the Thunder can’t figure it out on offense and score well as a unit, they will continue to struggle, especially when having to face the high-octane offenses of the Warriors and Houston Rockets.

1. Los Angeles Clippers

When losing a player the caliber of Chris Paul, some regression is to be expected. Fortifying the roster with guards Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams and Milos Teodosic and forward Danilo Gallinari, however, the Clippers were expected to weather the storm, to an extent.

Early on the Clippers did exactly that. The team looked impressive in the early going, winning five of their first seven games and averaging 109 points per. Since then? Everything has seemingly gone downhill in Los Angeles, and fast.

The Clippers have lost nine straight by an average margin of 9.8 points per game. Thirteenth in the Western Conference with a 5-11 record, they have looked nothing like the playoff team they were expected to be and are by far the season’s biggest disappointment. They have played poorly on the defensive end, ranking 20th in the NBA with a defensive rating of 106.2. Opponents have shot 45.4 percent from the field and 37.1 percent from three against them.

Things haven’t been the greatest on offense, either. In Paul’s absence, the Clippers have dropped from 15th in assists per game a year ago to 28th this season, averaging just 19.6 per game. While they are averaging 104.9 points per game, they are doing so on just 44.1 percent shooting.

Injuries have played a major role in the Clippers struggles; additions Beverly, Gallinari and Teodosic have all missed or are currently missing time with injury. But it’s discouraging to see that Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan are unable to elevate the Clippers outside of the Western Conference basement.

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NBA AM: Paul Millsap’s Injury Derails Denver

With Paul Millsap injured, the Nuggets hopes to become a contender take a hit.

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After missing the playoffs for the past four seasons, the Denver Nuggets are a team on the rise. The team won 30 games in 2015, 33 in 2016, 40 in 2017 and are currently on pace to record 48 victories this season, which would be their most since 2013.

The squad features six players averaging more than 10 points per contest, not including two veterans in Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler, both of whom are career double-digit scorers. The Nuggets also boast one of the youngest teams in the league with only three players over the age of 30 (Paul Millsap, Chandler and Richard Jefferson).

But the team was dealt a huge blow this week when it was learned that four-time All-Star forward Paul Millsap will be out the next three to four months after suffering a torn ligament in his wrist.

Millsap was extremely durable during his first 11 seasons in the league, missing 10 games just once (2017). This injury marks the first time in Millsap’s career where he will miss significant time while roaming the sideline in designer suits.

Millsap signed a three-year, $90 million deal this past summer and his acquisition was viewed as the next step in bringing the team back into the realm of the playoffs.

After an early season adjustment period, Denver (10-7) has rattled off seven victories in their last 10 games. For the team, Millsap’s injury news couldn’t have come at a worst time.  The veteran was averaging 15.3 points and 6.2 rebounds through 16 contests. The points are his lowest since 2013 and the rebounding output is his lowest since 2010, but Millsap’s presence has helped stabilize the young Nuggets on the offensive and defensive ends of the floor.

The Nuggets do have a plethora of power forwards on the depth chart. Veteran Kenneth Faried has started 366 contests for the franchise since being drafted in 2011. Faried’s future with the franchise has come into question in recent years as his playing time and role in the rotation has consistently diminished. The signing of Millsap likely solidified that fate, however, by not dealing Faried, the Nuggets were able to keep an insurance policy in the fold.

Third-year forward and former lottery pick Trey Lyles is another candidate for an increased workload. Lyles is currently averaging 6.8 minutes in 12 appearances but is shooting a career high from the field (52 percent) and three-point range (42 percent) in his limited court time. Another like candidate for more playing time is second-year big man Juan Hernangomez, who has currently appeared in just six contests.

Offensively, the Nuggets will be able to absorb his loss. Guards Gary Harris and Jamal Murray score the ball efficiently while swingman Will Barton provides pop off the bench. The team will also likely ride the back of their franchise player Nikola Jokic a bit more as well, with the big man averaging just 11.6 shot attempts per game—third on the team.

Perhaps the biggest area the Nuggets will have to adjust is on the defensive end.

According to ESPN’s real defensive plus-minus (DPM), Millsap ranks 31st overall in the league (1.62). He ranks seventh among power forwards with at least 10 games played this season. Last season, Millsap was fifth among power forward and 14th overall in DPM.

The veteran’s track of improving a team’s prowess on the defensive end is proven and it’s exactly the type of “silent” attribute the Nuggets needed on a loaded young team still learning how to play on that side of the ball.

                              Paul Millsap – Real Defensive Plus-Minus
Season DPM League Overall Rank Power Forward Rank
2013-14 2.06                 63                   12
2014-15 2.22                 43                    8
2015-16 3.26                 12                    2
2016-17 3.35                 14                   5
2017-18 1..62                 31                  9

 

The Nuggets will be tested immediately without Millsap in the fold. The team travels to Houston (November 22) and will play nine of their next 13 games are on the road. This includes a six-game road trip from December 4 to December 13.

The team is currently 7-2 at home and just 3-5 away from the Pepsi center.

They will, for sure, be tested without Millsap.

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