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NBA AM: Same Team, New Number

Doug McDermott will join Kobe Bryant as players who changed numbers, but not teams. Here’s the rest of them.

Joel Brigham



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Chicago Bulls forward Doug McDermott is going to change numbers next season, even though he’s not changing teams. Thanks to Dwyane Wade’s arrival, McDermott is giving up his #3 to a guy he knows will be a Hall-of-Famer, but that leaves him with the conundrum of choosing new digits. According to the Chicago Tribune’s K.C. Johnson, McDermott is considering #11, #17, #24 and #34, any of which will look almost as odd as Wade wearing any number in a uniform other than Miami’s.

McDermott isn’t alone in having had to change uniform numbers without changing teams. Plenty of players have done the same for a number of reasons over the years. Here’s a look at a good chunk of them:

Al Jefferson, Boston Celtics, #8, #7 and Antoine Walker, Boston Celtics, #8, #88 – After being traded back to the Celtics in 2005, Walker couldn’t wear #8 again because rookie Al Jefferson had it. Eventually, though, Jefferson surrendered the number back to the vet and dropped a digit to #7 instead.

B.J. Armstrong, Chicago Bulls, #10, #11 – Armstrong got a second stint with Chicago in 1999-2000, but by then the team had retired Bob Love’s #10, so Armstrong tacked on a digit to stay as close to #10 as possible.

Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls, #23, #45, #12 – Jordan had to wear #12 in a game on Valentine’s Day in 1990 because someone stole his #23 game jersey, and he obviously wore #45, his baseball number, when he came back to the Bulls in 1994.

Brad Miller, Chicago Bulls, #40, #52 – The only time in his career Miller didn’t wear #52 was his first stint in Chicago. He remedied that his second go-round.

Jannero Pargo, Chicago Bulls, #15, #2 – John Salmons kept Pargo from reclaiming his #15 from his first time with the Bulls, so he happily took up #2, a number he also had worn several times in his career.

Andre Drummond, Detroit Pistons, #1, #0 – When Chauncey Billups made one last gasp in Detroit a couple of seasons ago, Drummond happily gave up the number he wore his rookie year so Billups could have the uniform he made famous in the Motor City.

Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons, #3, #6 – The city of Detroit got all the warm fuzzies in the world when Wallace was given the opportunity to finish his career in Detroit after spending a few years in his twilight with other teams. By the time of his return, though, Rodney Stuckey had taken ownership of #3 and really wasn’t all that interested in giving it back. So, Wallace doubled his old number and settled for #6.

Rasheed Wallace, Detroit Pistons, #30, #36 – Wallace changed his number to 36 in 2004 to honor his brother, who passed away at the age of 36. He would eventually change back to #30.

Kenyon Martin, Denver Nuggets, #6, #4 – Martin had worn #6 for his entire career before switching over to his college number in 2007.

J.R. Smith, Denver Nuggets, #1, #5 and Chauncey Billups, Denver Nuggets, #7, #1 – These go together since Smith changed from #1 to give the number to Billups following his trade from Detroit in 2008.

Tracy McGrady, Houston Rockets, #1, #3 – Back in 2009, McGrady was doing a lot of work in Darfur, not only for his charity but also for a documentary he was producing entitled, “3 Points.” The number change helped raise awareness for those projects.

Ron Artest, Indiana Pacers, #15, #23, #91 – Artest always has made interesting uniform number choices, but his first diversion away from #15 was a tribute to Michael Jordan. His switch to #91, then, was another tribute, this time to Jordan’s championship teammate, bad boy Dennis Rodman.

Paul George, Indiana Pacers, #24, #13 – Bill Simmons once suggested that George should change his number so that he could assume the “PG-13” nickname, and when George got wind of it he liked the sound of it enough to actually go through with the number change.

Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, #8, #24 – Bryant wanted to wear #24 as a rookie but it wasn’t available, so he switched over in 2006 to the number he’d desired all along.

Jordan Farmar, L.A. Lakers, #5, #1 – Farmar wore #1 both at UCLA and in high school, so the minute it became available he pounced all over it.

Nate Robinson, New York Knicks, #4, #2 – There were “two” reasons for Robinson to switch to #2, the first of which being that Robinson’s first uniform number ever was #2, and the second being that it was the number his favorite athlete, Deion Sanders, who wore it at Florida State.

Charles Barkley, Philadelphia 76ers, #34, #32 – Barkley changed his number in 1991 to honor his friend Magic Johnson, who had recently been diagnosed with HIV. He did change back to #34 the following season.

Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia 76ers, #4, #9 – When Chris Webber came to Philadelphia, the rookie gave up his #4 for Webber to wear, but now it’s hard to imagine Iguodala wearing anything but #9.

Amar’e Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns, #32, #1 – In coming back from microfracture surgery in 2006, Stoudemire felt he was the only “one” to believe he could be as effective as before, which is why he switched to the loneliest number.

Martell Webster, Portland Trail Blazers, #8, #23 – When Webster first joined the Blazers, Darius Miles wore the #23 that Webster really wanted, so he had to wait for Miles’ departure to wear the number Martell wore in high school.

Ben McLemore, Sacramento Kings, #16, #23 – McLemore chose #16 as a rookie without really realizing that it had been Peja Stojakovic’s number when he was playing in Sacramento. With #23 coming available thanks to the departure of Marcus Thornton, McLemore switched to his preferred digit for his sophomore year while paying his belated respects to Stojakovic in the process.

Danny Green, San Antonio Spurs, #4, #14 – Having worn #14 in high school and college, that was the number he preferred all along, which explains his switch from #4 a couple of seasons ago.

Chris Webber, Washington Bullets, #2, #4 – Scott Skiles wore Chris Webber’s #4 when he was first traded to the Bullets, so he had to wait until Skiles retired to take ownership of the number he wore for the majority of his basketball career.

Brendan Haywood, Washington Wizards, #3, #00, #33 – Haywood at one point apparently didn’t care what number he wore, as he started with #3 as a rookie but gave it up and switched to #00 when Juan Dixon joined the team the following year. Then he gave that number up when Gilbert Arenas came aboard and wanted to wear #0. He finally had enough the next season when Antawn Jamison, who had previously worn Haywood’s #33, found his way to Washington. Haywood declined the option to switch numbers a third time following that acquisition.

Andray Blatche, Washington Wizards, #32, #7 – Ahead of the 2009 season, Blatche wanted to come into camp with a whole new attitude about his career, which is why he chose #7 to represent, as he put it, “Seven days a week of hard work, seven days of being focused.”

Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards, #0, #9 – Arenas changed to #9 in 2010, but to this day nobody knows why. Arenas always did take pride in being an enigma.

Reader Contributions:

Dion Waiters, Oklahoma City Thunder, #23, #3 (@Thunder_Digest)
Perry Jones, Oklahoma City Thunder, #8, #3 (@Thunder_Digest)
Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City Thunder, #2, #25 (@JonMHamm)
DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers, #9, #6 (@JonMHamm)
Tony Wroten, Philadelphia 76ers, #8, #1 (@TaylorOfTerror)
Bruno Caboclo, Toronto Raptors, #20, #5 (@416Basketball)
Stanley Johnson, Detroit Pistons, #3, #7 (@dropdeadken_)
Kemba Walker, Charlotte Hornets, #1, #15 (@RichieRandall)
Mario Chalmers, Miami HEAT, #6, #15 (@FrankyG_)
Mengke Bateer, Toronto Raptors #42, #14 (@MarkDeeksNBA)
Lance Stephenson, Indiana Pacers, #6, #1 (@EllisD69)
Joe Young, Indiana Pacers, #1, #3 (@EllisD69)
Matthew Dellavedova, Cleveland Cavaliers, #9, #8 (@ChefKyrie)
Kevon Looney, Golden State Warriors, #36, #5 (@MattRGagnon)


Number changes can be a fascinating thing, if only for the reasons behind the switches, and this year Doug McDermott joins the ranks.

This can’t be the comprehensive list, but it sure would be nice to make it that way. If you see any I missed, please hit me up on Twitter @joelbrigham, and we’ll try to make this list whole!


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NBA Daily: The Comfortability of Caris LeVert

Caris LeVert talks to Basketball Insiders about filling in at point guard, turning the proverbial corner and getting more comfortable with his game.

Ben Nadeau



If there’s a light at the end of the tunnel for the Brooklyn Nets, it probably involves Caris LeVert.

After finding his niche as a do-it-all rotation player, LeVert upped his averages in points (12.1), assists (4.2) and three-point accuracy (34.7 percent) during his second NBA season. Although those outer-layer statistics may not scream budding star quite yet, his growth and flexibility were key to a Nets team once again decimated by injuries.

When Jeremy Lin suffered a season-ending ruptured patella tendon during the season opener, the guard situation became understandably shaky. But then the newly acquired D’Angelo Russell went down for two months in November and things almost became untenable. If not for the efforts of LeVert as the backup point guard (and the vastly improved play of Spencer Dinwiddie), things could’ve been a whole lot worse for the Nets in 2017-18.

But according to LeVert, his development as a ball-handler was just the next, albeit necessary, step in his career.

“It’s been important, especially this year with injuries to Jeremy and D’Angelo,” LeVert told Basketball Insiders. “I feel like Spencer and myself had to definitely step up a lot this year and were asked to do a lot. But that was just something the team needed from me.”

Referring to his new-found prowess in such simple terms might be a slight understatement on LeVert’s development this season. Beyond his immense, quick chemistry with rookie center Jarrett Allen, LeVert has been a major bench catalyst all year. Often thriving under the sophomore’s playmaking hand, Brooklyn’s bench tallied a healthy 43.9 points per game, a benchmark only beat out by the Sacramento Kings (44.4). While his role as a point guard came about somewhat as an emergency, it’s clearly a position the Nets like him in.

Although he started 16 fewer games than he did in his rookie season, coming off the bench offered LeVert plenty of offensive freedom and the opportunity to feast on weaker opposition. On most nights, the 23-year-old didn’t disappoint. Some the Nets’ best individual lines all season came via LeVert, but few were better than his dominant play during a narrow one-point victory in Miami. On the road, LeVert torched the HEAT for 19 points, 12 rebounds, eight assists, two steals and block in just over 34 minutes. This season, the Nets were 7-1 when LeVert registered eight or more assists and even topped out with a career-best 11 dimes.

As both a playmaker and a scorer, LeVert has shown serious signs of promise — or, more simply, put the ball in his hands and good things happen. But compare this LeVert to that raw first-year version and he’s convinced it all comes down to comfortability.

“I don’t know, I would say just how comfortable I’m getting,” LeVert said. “My game hasn’t changed all that much, honestly, I’m still getting more comfortable out on the court. But it’s just getting more playing time, more experience and I feel like I’ll grow more into my game.”

Frankly, the Nets have needed a win in the draft department for years. Outside of Mason Plumlee’s brief two-season cameo, the Nets haven’t drafted and groomed a long-term talent since Brook Lopez way back in 2008. Thankfully, he and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson — and joined by the aforementioned Allen this season — seem poised to buck that trend. Hollis-Jefferson, acquired on draft night for Plumlee in 2015, averaged 13.9 points and 6.8 rebounds on 47.2 percent from the field in 2017-18, a vast improvement over his first two campaigns. Allen, a 20-year-old hyper-athletic shot blocker, wasn’t let loose until after the new year but showed potential in the pick-and-roll or while catching lobs up above the rim.

Together, the trio, along with Russell, represent the Nets’ best present and future assets. But ask LeVert if brighter things are on the horizon and the 6-foot-7 multi-positional talent is largely uninterested in getting ahead of himself.

“I feel like I got a lot better on both ends of the ball as the season went on,” LeVert told Basketball Insiders. “Also feel like I learned a couple more positions this year and got comfortable playing them. But I still got a long way to go. You know, it’s only my second year, obviously, but I feel like I definitely made new strides this year.”

The Nets, in a vacuum, can be viewed in almost the same way.

Since LeVert was drafted with the No. 20 overall pick back in 2016, the Nets have racked up a total of just 48 wins. This year alone, 11 franchises equaled or earned more wins than the Nets’ two-year yield. In fact, the only franchise with fewer wins over that period of time were the Phoenix Suns at 45, but they were also recently rewarded with Josh Jackson and currently own a 25 percent chance of taking home the No. 1 pick this summer. All of this is to say that Nets have struggled to hoist themselves out of a pick-less bottomless pit for reasons outside of their control.

Despite the devastating injuries, this resilient Nets squad put together a relatively strong final stretch under head coach Kenny Atkinson. While the second-year head coach spent much of the campaign feeling out what worked and what didn’t, LeVert became a steady presence just about everywhere. Following the All-Star break, the Nets went 6-4 in games in which LeVert surpassed his season average in points, but they were just 1-4 when he went for single-digits.

Needless to say, the Nets often go where LeVert takes them.

But after two back-to-back disappointing campaigns. LeVert says that the Nets’ locker room senses that they’re close to turning the proverbial corner. Still, they know they’ve got a long, long way to go.

“[It felt that way], especially after the All-Star Break and going into the second half of the season,” LeVert said. “But we’re definitely not satisfied — we can’t wait to work hard this offseason and get after it next year.”

Now with two seasons under his belt, the Nets’ front office must be pleased with the steps LeVert has taken — whether that’s effectively running an offense or snaking through the paint for a crafty finish. But for LeVert to join the higher class, he returns to the same word again and again: Comfortability. Between getting familiar with his body and skillset, LeVert knows that a big key is also finding consistency each and every night. However, he’s not worried about who he might play like or how good he might end up being — LeVert is just focused on getting better one day at a time.

“I kinda just take little parts of everybody’s game and try to put it in my own — I don’t really just look at one person,” LeVert told Basketball Insiders. “As a young player in this league, that’s kinda how it is, a little inconsistent. But like I said, I’m still getting more comfortable with myself and my game.”

Although the Nets are headed into another offseason of uncertainty, they can rest assured knowing that a bigger and better LeVert will likely emerge next fall. It hardly matters if he’s filling in at point guard again or growing into his shoes out on the wing, LeVert will clearly play a large role in sculpting Brooklyn’s malleable future.

LeVert, as always, is up for the challenge.

“I still got a long ways to go, I’m still getting more comfortable, still growing into my body — but I’m ready for a big summer for sure.”

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The Real Jrue Holiday Has Finally Arrived

It may have been a little later than they would have wanted, but the Jrue Holiday that New Orleans has always wanted is finally here, writes Matt John.

Matt John



New Orleans has always earned the nickname “The Big Easy”, but ever since Jrue Holiday came to town, his time there has been anything but.

When New Orleans traded for Holiday back in 2013, they hoped that he would round out an exciting young core that included Anthony Davis, Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, and Ryan Anderson. At 23 years old, Holiday averaged 17.7 points, 8.0 assists, and 4.2 rebounds the previous season and was coming off his first all-star appearance in Philadelphia, so the Pelicans had much to look forward to.

Unfortunately, recurring extensive injuries prohibited the Pelicans’ new core from ever playing together fully healthy, with Holiday getting his fair share of the bruises. In his first two seasons, Holiday played in only 74 games combined with the team due to injury, and things didn’t get much better his third season. While he played more games, Holiday was on a minutes restriction and his season ended again with injury.

Holiday avoided the injury bug his fourth season, but he nobly took a leave of absence at the start the season to tend to his ill wife, which caused him to miss the season’s first 12 games and 15 in total. Holiday’s inability to stay on the court coupled with New Orleans’ stagnated progress made him a forgotten man in the NBA. That was until last summer, when Holiday became a free agent.

Given the circumstances, Holiday did what he could for the Pelicans. He certainly proved he was above average, but he hadn’t shown any improvement since his arrival. Coupling that with both how many games he had missed in the previous four seasons and the league’s salary cap not increasing as much as teams had anticipated, and one would think to proceed with caution in regards to extending Jrue Holiday.

But the Pelicans saw it differently. New Orleans gave Holiday a five-year, $126 million extension last summer, befuddling the general masses. Besides Holiday’s inability to stay on the court, the Pelicans already had an expensive payroll, and they later added Rajon Rondo, another quality point guard, to the roster. So, with all that in mind, giving Holiday a near-max contract on a team that had made the playoffs a grand total of once in the Anthony Davis era seemed a little foolish.

This season, however, Jrue Holiday has rewarded the Pelicans’ faith in him and has proven the doubters so very wrong.

With a clean slate of health, Holiday has proven himself to be better than ever. This season, Holiday averaged career-highs in scoring (19 points a game) and field goal percentage (49 percent overall), which played a huge role in New Orleans having its best season since Chris Paul’s last hurrah with the team back in 2011.

Holiday’s impact extended beyond what the traditional numbers said. His on/off numbers from showed that the Pelicans were much better on both sides of the ball when he was on the court compared to when he was off. Offensively, the Pelicans had an offensive rating of 108.9 points per 100 possessions when he was the on the court compared to 104.4 points per 100 possessions when he was off.

On the other side of the court, Holiday was even more integral. The Pelicans had a defensive rating of 103.3 per 100 possessions when Holiday was on the court compared to 112.3 off the court. Overall, the Pelicans were 13.6 points per 100 possessions better with Holiday on the floor. That was the highest net rating on the team, even higher than Anthony Davis.

Other statistics also support how impactful Holiday has been this season. According to ESPN’s real plus-minus page, Holiday’s 3.81 Real Plus-Minus ranked ninth among point guards – No. 16 offensively, No. 4 defensively – which beat out Kyrie Irving, John Wall, and Goran Dragic, all of whom made the All-Star team this year.

However, Holiday’s effectiveness shined through mid-way through the season, or more specifically, on Jan. 26, when Demarcus Cousins went down with an Achilles tear. While Davis certainly led the way, Holiday’s role could not have been understated when the Pelicans went 21-13 without their MVP candidate to finish the season. Offensively, Holiday’s point average went from 18.6 to 19.4 and his assist average went from 5.2 to 7.2, all while his turnover average – from 2.6 to 2.7 – stayed the same.

Defensively, Holiday had much to do with the Pelicans’ improved defense after Cousins went down. According to, the Pelicans defensive rating went from 106.2 points allowed per 100 possessions to 103.7, and much of it can be attributed to Holiday. When Holiday was on the court, the team’s defensive rating was 101.2 points allowed per 100 possessions compared to 109.6 points allowed per 100 possessions with him off.

Holiday’s improved numbers, combined with the Pelicans steadying the boat without their star center, make a fair argument that Holiday was one of the league’s best all-around point guards this season, but Holiday’s style isn’t much of a thrill to watch. He doesn’t have Russell Westbrook’s other-worldly athleticism, he doesn’t have Stephen Curry’s lethal jumper, nor does he have Chris Paul’s floor general abilities. Holiday’s specialty is that he has every fundamental of a good point guard, which makes his impact usually fly under the radar.

That was until last week, when the Pelicans unexpectedly curb stomped the Blazers. The Jrue Holiday coming out party was in full-swing, as the 27-year-old torched Rip City, averaging 27.8 points, 6.5 assists, and 4 rebounds a game on 57 percent shooting from the field, including 35 percent from deep. He did all of that while stymieing MVP candidate Damian Lillard, as Dame averaged 18 points and 4 assists while shooting 35 percent from the field, including 30 percent from deep, and surrendered four turnovers a game.

If Holiday’s contributions weren’t on full display then, they certainly are now. The Pelicans have suddenly emerged as one of the West’s toughest and most cohesive teams in this year’s playoffs, with Holiday playing a huge role in the team’s newfound mojo and potentially glorious future.

This was the Jrue Holiday the New Orleans Pelicans had in mind when they first traded for him almost five years ago. While his impact has come a little later than they would have wanted, it’s as the old saying goes.

Better late than never.

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NBA Daily: Are Player Legacies Really On The Line?

How important is legacy in the NBA playoffs? Lang Greene takes a look.

Lang Greene



As the NBA Playoffs continue to pick up steam, the subject of individual greatness has become the big topic of conversation. Today, we ask the question: is legacy talk just a bunch of hyperbole or are they really made or broken in the playoffs?

To be clear, legacies do matter. Reputations are built on reliability and how dependable someone is throughout the course of their respective body of work. We all have them. They are built over time and it’s seldom they change from one misstep – but they can. Some of the greatest players in NBA history never won a title; see John Stockton and Karl Malone during their Utah Jazz years. Some NBA greats never won a title until they were past their physical prime and paired with a young charge that took over the reins; see David Robinson in San Antonio. Some NBA greats never won a title as the leading man until they were traded to a title contending team; see Clyde Drexler in Houston. We also have a slew of Hall of Famers that have been inducted with minimal playoff success in their careers; see the explosive Tracy McGrady.

So what’s in a legacy? And why does it mean more for some then it does for others?

Four-time League MVP LeBron James’ legacy is always up for debate, despite battling this season to make his ninth NBA Finals appearance. James’ legacy seems to be up in the air on a nightly basis. Maybe it’s because of the rarified air he’s in as one of the league’s top 10 players all-time or maybe it’s just good for ratings.

As this year’s playoffs gain momentum, the topic of legacy has been mentioned early and often.

Out in the Western Conference, the legacy of Oklahoma City Thunder All-Star guard Russell Westbrook is being questioned at all angles. There’s no doubt Westbrook is one of the best players in the league today as the reigning MVP and coming off two consecutive seasons averaging a triple-double. However, Westbrook’s decision making has come into question plenty over the past couple of seasons.

The subject of whether you can truly win a championship with Westbrook as your lead guy serves as the centerpiece of the debate. It goes without saying former league MVP Kevin Durant bolted to the Golden State Warriors amid rumors that he could no longer coexist next to Westbrook in the lineup. Ever since Durant’s somewhat unexpected departure, it seems Westbrook has been hell-bent on proving his doubters wrong – even if it comes at the detriment to what his team is trying to accomplish.

The latest example was in game four of his team’s current first-round series versus the Utah Jazz.

Westbrook picked up four fouls in the first half as he was attempting to lock up point guard Ricky Rubio, who had a career night in Game 3 of the series. Westbrook infamously waved off head coach Billy Donovan after picking up his second personal foul in the first quarter. Westbrook was also in the game with three personal fouls and under two minutes left in the first half before picking up his fourth personal.

You can make an argument that this was just bad coaching by Donovan leaving him in the game in foul trouble, but it also points to Westbrook’s decision making and not being able to play within the constructs of a team dynamic. Further, what will be Westbrook’s legacy on this season’s Oklahoma City Thunder team with Carmelo Anthony and Paul George if they were to flame out in the first round with little fizzle – against a Jazz team with no star power and zero All-Stars? Is discussing Westbrook’s legacy worthless banter or is it a legitimate topic? There is no doubt on his current trajectory Westbrook is headed straight into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. As an individual player there is no greater achievement than to have your name etched in stone with the greats of yesteryear, but the court of public opinion factors in team success and this is where the topic of legacy comes into play.

Say what you will about Durant’s decision to go to Golden State, but his legacy is undoubtedly secured. Durant won the Finals MVP last season in absolute dominant fashion and showed up on the biggest of stages. All that’s left from those that question Durant’s legacy at this point are the folks on the fringe saying he couldn’t do it by himself. But that is exactly the line of thinking that’s getting Westbrook killed as well, because winning championships is all about team cohesiveness and unity.

Out in the Eastern Conference, all eyes will be on Milwaukee Bucks do everything star Giannis Antetokounmpo. After five seasons in the league, Antetokounmpo has zero playoff series victories attached to his name. Heading into the playoffs this season, the seventh-seeded Bucks were considered underdogs to the second-seeded Boston Celtics.

But the Celtics are wounded. They do not have the services of All Stars Kyrie Irving or Gordon Hayward. The Celtics are a team full of scrappy young talent and cagey veterans. Antetokounmpo is clearly the best player in the series and teams with the best player usually fare well in a seven game series. But the Bucks are facing elimination down 3-2 versus Boston. Antetokounmpo has only been in the league half of the time Westbrook has, but the chirping about his legacy has already begun as Milwaukee attempts to win its first playoff series since 2001.

So what’s in a legacy? Are there varying degrees for which people are being evaluated?

Despite James’ success throughout his career, a first-round exit at the hands of the Indiana Pacers over the next week will damage his legacy in the minds of some. While others feel even if Antetokounmpo and the Bucks were to drop this series against the Celtics, he should be given a pass with the caveat that he still has plenty of time in his career to rectify.

As for Westbrook, there are vultures circling the head of his legacy and these folks feel that a first-round exit will damage his brand irreversibly after 10 seasons in the league

Ultimately, the topic of legacies makes for good column fodder, barbershop banter and sport debate television segments. Because when guys hang up their high tops for good, a Hall of Fame induction is typically the solidifying factor when it comes to a player’s legacy.

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